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Ancient Irish Goddess of War

Hennessey's "Ancient Irish Goddess of War" is online.

(crossposted)

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songfire3
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
Thank you for posting this!
wire_mother
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:41 am (UTC)
no problem.
witch_wolf
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
This is wonderful news!

I had posted it before but now it's searchable. YIPPY>
wire_mother
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:40 am (UTC)
did i get my pdf copy of the article from you, perhaps?
witch_wolf
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
I think so, I had it up for about a year. Then I had to take it down because of space.
theadydal
Jul. 11th, 2007 08:33 am (UTC)
“Morrighain; i.e. the great fairy”.

:rollseyes:

brock_tn
Jul. 11th, 2007 10:55 am (UTC)
The article was written 137 years ago. Terminology as well as understanding changes over time.
theadydal
Jul. 11th, 2007 02:07 pm (UTC)
True but it also means there is a citible academics paper listing this as 'a' translation which does mean that the bandying about of this term which I have heard of later here in Ireland has a source more then just Witta.
brock_tn
Jul. 11th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
But just because it can be cited does not mean that it should be cited. Modern scholarship in the field is far more precise in its use of terminology, while scholars of Hennessey's era were likely to see and make no real difference between the terms "goddess," "fairy," and "spirit" when they were speaking of a character out of Irish legend. After all, it was only so much old superstition anyway. Right?

Hennessey's monograph is merely the oldest academic reference to the Morrigan that we know about. To somehow assume it must therefore be given pride of place over more recent (and frankly, better,) scholarship would be a serious error.

And yes, I do recognize that you are not making this error. I'm suggesting that in the future you may wish to point out the error and its nature to other people when you see them making it.
wire_mother
Jul. 11th, 2007 08:24 pm (UTC)
eh. there are citable, even respectable, academic sources saying that the druids built Stonehenge, or that the "Celts" had a "Sun God", even that Lugh was that "Sun God". all you have to do is cite something which shows why that interpretation is incorrect. for instance, in that specific case, most current sources don't see the particle mor as being "big", as most early instances of the name/title don't include the necessary long 'o'. it's currently accepted that the particle comes from the same root that gives English "nightmare". (similarly, Stonehenge dates to a period when the Indo-European languages had not yet differentiated much, so there were no people called "Druids" yet - if the group existed at all, which is unlikely*, they would have been called something like *deru-weid; there's no such thing as "Celts", only Celtic-language speaking peoples, and those peoples have always had a feminine word for the sun - in fact, the sun seems to have originally been feminine in Proto-Indo-European; Lugh is more closely associated with summer rains and lightning.)

well, now, if that isn't rambling…


*which doesn't mean that there wasn't a priestly group out of which the druids developed, only that the Druids seem to have, at least initially, been a specific school of priestcraft, not a generic term for priests in general. certainly, we know of at least one or two other terms applied to priests or priestlike groups of a Celtic-language speaking people (filidh and semnotheoi, though the latter is likely to be a Greek translation).
brock_tn
Jul. 11th, 2007 10:25 pm (UTC)
Re semnotheoi

To call my knowledge of Greek limited would be generous: perchance do you have an etymology of the term handy?
wire_mother
Jul. 11th, 2007 10:41 pm (UTC)
as i recall, it is something "reverence of the gods". checking the usual sources, i see that maryjones.us gives that translation. a few other, less reliable, sources online give "revered gods", but that seems unlikely to me.
brock_tn
Jul. 12th, 2007 12:51 am (UTC)
Actually, it makes sense as, perhaps, "those who give reverence to the gods." But I'm just guessing. Would agree that it's most likely a Greek translation of a word in a Celtic language.
wire_mother
Jul. 12th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
that's how i would understand it.
jen_stotland
Jun. 27th, 2009 10:56 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. I typed it from a print manuscript (rather than scanning) so some of the words might be off, even after double checking. I hope it is useful.
jen_stotland
Jun. 27th, 2009 11:03 pm (UTC)
I mean, hi! I'm Jen. I'm not usually that much of a showoff.

I've been a follower for 3 years after a pretty intense calling experience. Thank you for accepting me into your group! I'm looking forward to reading more here.
wire_mother
Jun. 28th, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)
there is nothing wrong with taking pride in your accomplishments. thank you for your work putting the article online.

as you might have noticed, the group has been fairly quiet for the last year or so. feel free to make an introductory or informative post, which might kick things off again.
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