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From 31st December 2009 the government intent to make all vitamins, herbal preparations and supplements available on prescription only, from your GP!!!.

Anyone who objects has until 5th September, yes that is FOUR DAYS, to sign the petition which is at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins

Tell all your friends, swamp the petition site!

There are several reasons why this is a bad idea:

1. This would effectively kill Herbalism..........which has been effective for thousands of years
2. Doctors are not trained to prescribe herbal preparations, it is a separate 3-4 years of training!
3. All our health care products would be in the hands of the big pharmaceutical companies

What is appalling is the fact that this has been kept so damn quiet by the idiots who call themselves our representatives!!

The plants of this planet have aided humankind for thousands of years, and up until the past 60 or so years were in common useage in every household in Britain and are still widely used, even if many people are not aware of them. The majority of pharmaceutical products are simply patented plant derivatives......and there is the crux of the matter. Pharmaceutical companies cannot patent the whole herb...it is a naturally occuring entity....so they aim to get it outlawed!!!

Is your GP going to do the extra training..........I doubt it very much.


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Sep. 2nd, 2009 12:29 am (UTC)
As mentioned on the pagan garden community, this applies only in Britain.
Sep. 2nd, 2009 03:34 am (UTC)
And may very well be an urban legend, as it has already been more than once both in the US and UK.
Sep. 4th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
Not this time I'm afraid :(

The Codex is not the problem, the implementation is, for me anyway.

The UK gov. is doing a health and related services revue currently and this is one of the propositions under discussion. There are a whole heap of related papers, reports, expert and business views to trawl through to find the bits relevent to the petition I posted a link to, but if you have the time and inclination you can see it for yourself ;)
Sep. 2nd, 2009 04:39 am (UTC)
Exactly how does this relate to the Phantom Queen?
Sep. 4th, 2009 03:33 am (UTC)
Sep. 4th, 2009 03:40 am (UTC)
Where? If the community were related to Airmid, even Diancecht, I could see it, but where in the lore is An Mhòr Righan connected to herbalism?
Sep. 9th, 2009 10:35 am (UTC)
Perhaps followers of hers that use herbs and supplements to treat illness and chronic conditions? Like this particular one here in the States?
Sep. 9th, 2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
In short, there's no connection of which you are aware to the lore, and only an implicit potential one to the members of the group as a whole.

It's not that I don't think this sort of discussion has merit, just that this isn't the right place for it.
Sep. 10th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
I would disagree, on the following grounds:

1) The Book of Leinster clearly states:

"Ernmas had other daughters, Babd and Macha and Morrigu (Morrighan), whose name was Anand." verse 64, R.A.S. MacAllister, Lebor Gabala Erren (Dublin: Irish Texts Society, 1956)

"Morrighan, contrary to later tales, enters the myths as a goddess of the earth and of the land, which is not surprising for a daughter of a fertile mother goddess and a sister of three goddesses of Irish sovereignty."

2) "She uses magic to confuse the battle-hardened, making her allies thick with battle frenzy."

(above quotes and citation from: Goddess Alive! Inviting Celtic and Norse Goddesses into your life.)

As a goddess of the Earth and fertility, her realm would naturally have included plants, although she is better known in the later tales for her herd of Otherworldly cattle. (The book of Leinster being the earliest to be set down and sections of it (by language analysis) date back to the 5th century.)

As a Goddess of Magic, herbs in their magical form would have been associated with her. The healing herbs fell to Brighid, however, with the triple nature of the early Irish Goddesses and the changing of names in the later tales, they may well be two aspects of the same goddess.
Sep. 10th, 2009 01:56 am (UTC)
As a goddess of the Earth and fertility, her realm would naturally have included plants, although she is better known in the later tales for her herd of Otherworldly cattle.

I'd contest that An Mhór Righan fits the Dumézilian archetypes of Sovreignty, the warrior caste, and the magical one; but don't see any real connection with the fourth function- aside from the association with cattle, which really is more a manifestation of the power of ownership, and thus an indication of sovreignty.

Where is the lore indicative of Her associations as "a goddess of the earth and of the land," or where have reputable Celtic Studies scholars accorded these to her- not to impugn Michelle Skye, but her approach is definitely Wiccan-influenced (by her own admission) and she does not appear to have any particular qualification as an authority on Celtic Studies.
Sep. 11th, 2009 12:39 pm (UTC)
"The manner of naming places for deities, moreover, is also significant. In the case of the Morrigan, an equation seems to be made between the body of the goddess and the contours of the earth (cf. Figure 11.1). That the female is implicatedin landscape formation is further suggested by the identification of two of the areas hills as 'Comb and Casket of the Dagda's wife' (Stokes 1894:292-3). The indications are, therefore, that the Morrigan is identified with the feminized earth. Furthermore, we find that other Irish place names are designated by their nomenclature as her property or place of frequentation (see Hennessy1870:54-5; Hogan 1910: 448,493). Thus, the 'Great Queen' of the supernatural world appears to have the attributes of a goddess of the land." The concept of the Goddess by Sandra Billington, Miranda Green.

Being influenced by Wicca does not make anyone a bad authority on mythology, folklore and legend.....

Dr. Green, on the other hand, is a well respected academic who specialises in the role of women in Celtic society, myth and religion.
Sep. 11th, 2009 07:10 pm (UTC)
OK, now we're getting somewhere, and are approaching solid discussion. Thank you.

We have from the Lebor Gabála Érenn:
"Badb and Macha and Anand, of whom are the Paps of Anu in Luachar were the three daughters of Ernmas the she-farmer."
and again, later in the LGE:
"Badb and Macha, greatness of wealth, Morrigu--
springs of craftiness,
sources of bitter fighting
were the three daughters of Ernmas"

so we can 'close the loop' and draw the conclusion that Anand and the Morrigu are the same entity, so Dhá Chíoche Dhanann- the Paps of Anand- follow logically, but these structures aren't (at least entirely) natural- they're funerary cairns, as are Dá Cích na Mórrígna near Newgrange. Then we have the cave of Cruachain- which is clearly a transitionary area to the Otherworld (a sidhe-door, anyone?).

I guess what I'm getting at, really, is that when there is a connection with the earth, it's in the context of Sovreignty, or the after-life/Tír na nÓg, or the Otherworld.

I still don't see a connection with herbalism. What am I missing in the lore?
Sep. 13th, 2009 01:47 am (UTC)
"springs of craftiness, sources of bitter fighting, were the daughters of Ernmas"

'springs' in this sense being well or water source, is a driect link to the land for all of Ernmas' daughters, as well as being the daughters of a farming goddess, is enough for me. They share many similarities with goddesses from around the world, whose origins can be found in the archetypal 'Earth Mother'.

We mustn't forget that all of these histories were written down by revisionist monks who changed things around to suit their own needs. The darker aspects of the feminine were always emphasised, and the males become more heroic (as you would expect from a patriarchal religion). The fact that Goddesses were associated so heavily with the land, be it through place names, modification of the landscape or healing wells, meant that people would not turn up in the churches. This was not to be tolerated, so the Church rewrote Irish history (no one but monks and a few members of the nobility could read and write) with the populace none the wiser until it was too late.

The danger with sticking doggedly to this type of text is that one falls into the intended trap of the author by assigning incorect attributes to various deities. People like Miranda Green and Michelle Skye are not afraid to question and explore the topic with an open mind, and share their thoughts with others. I don't think we can ever be 100% sure of any text, in all honesty.

I would add though, that; re-evaluating much of Celtic history and lore through a feminine perspective; comparing it to mythology from around the world to find the patterns which inevitably show up; looking at how Christianity has maligned native religions and looking for the faint traces of the original in surviving oral tales, can only enhace our understanding.

I think we should agree to differ on this one ;)

May all your wanderings be happy.
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